Green Hornet Chronicles [Archive]

alton

10-20-2010, 04:38 PM

There was no date attached to this post that I could find,but hopefully if the poster is referring to an erratic publishing schedule for this title by Moonstone that those publishing issues have been rectified in time for the new Return Of The Originals launch by Moonstone.I have signed up for 3 and don't want to have to wait months between issues.Rocketman in particular as well as Secret Agent X and the Canadian Team all look better than that glossy toy ad stuff coming out from Stan Lee/POW/BOOM.This along with Dynamites Warlord Of Mars is what I want to see more of.I have already dropped Oni's Stumptown because of it's erratic appearances.If Rucka couldn't fit it into his schedule he shouldn't have committed to it in the first place.

Renaud

11-07-2010, 11:43 AM

I haven't really start reading it quite yet, just a little sampling, but the hardcover edition looks decent enough; moonstone has a nice chronicles format I like

I wonder if we are ever going to get in the same manner books for The Shadow, and a Doc Savage Chronlcles

Ghornet2

11-07-2010, 05:24 PM

I've started reading mine. I'm enjoying it. Some good stories and a couple of real good ones. It's interesting to see the different approaches to the Hornet and his history.

Ghornet2

11-11-2010, 09:29 AM

Finished Chronicles last night. Very good. A couple of the stories made reference to the Lone Ranger (not by name obviously) and a couple mentioned other pulp characters. Two or three left openings for more stories. Most made good use of some of the radio supporting cast. The only real 'problem' is it left me wanting more and I doubt we'll get a follow up.:(

Mr. Fantastic

12-25-2010, 11:22 PM

I woke up Christmas morning with only one thought on my mind. I hunted through the presents under the Christmas tree for the gift shaped like a book. I ripped the wrapping off as fast as I could being careful not to damage the book. Finally, I had the Green Hornet Chronicles in my hands.

I needed to read this so bad. I didn’t want to ever let this book out of my grasp. So far I have only read the intro and the first two stories. I really like it. I don’t want to finish it too fast. I want to make it last and savor it. This is the Green Hornet book I have been hoping for.

Captain Canuck

12-26-2010, 09:22 AM

Roughly how long are the stories?

Alton: Northern Guard #1 is now available.

Ghornet2

12-26-2010, 10:00 AM

Roughly how long are the stories?

Alton: Northern Guard #1 is now available.

There are 19 stories the page count varies between 15 to 25 pages. couldn't get into the Harlen Ellison story but they were all great. Different takes by different authors. All in all a great read.

Mr. Fantastic

12-26-2010, 02:44 PM

The first story is called the "The Night Car." It is 24 pages long. The second story is called "I Had The Green Hornet's Love Child" and is 13 pages long. I haven't had a chance to look at the rest of the book yet. You wouldn't like it because it is just like the television series.

Roughly how long are the stories?

Alton: Northern Guard #1 is now available.

Captain Canuck

12-26-2010, 03:05 PM

You wouldn't like it because it is just like the television series.

No, see, I probably WOULD like it because unlike you, I'm open-minded. I'm not stuck in 1969, but I don't reject it either.

Try it. You might like it. There's a great big world out there, Fantastic.

Mr. Fantastic

12-26-2010, 06:15 PM

I am stuck on quality not the year. Kato Origins takes place in the forties for example. I have high standards. I know what's good and what's bullshit.

No, see, I probably WOULD like it because unlike you, I'm open-minded. I'm not stuck in 1969, but I don't reject it either.

Try it. You might like it. There's a great big world out there, Fantastic.

Captain Canuck

12-26-2010, 07:11 PM

I am stuck on quality not the year. Kato Origins takes place in the forties for example. I have high standards. I know what's good and what's bullshit.

No, you're stuck on one vision of the character. Anything else is wrong. That's why you complain about inconsequential things like eye colour. The reason you like the 40's stuff is because it hardly deviates from the character that you've decided is the "right" one.

I don't limit myself like that. I can accept different interpretations but if I didn't enjoy any element of a specific version, at least I'd have enough sense to drop it.

How are you liking Green Hornet Strikes?

Captain Canuck

12-26-2010, 07:41 PM

You know what? I regret this. No one wants to read this stuff.

Bottom line: I'm open to a number of variations, TV show style included. If you legitimately thought I wouldn't like it on that basis, I apologize for over-reacting to perceived sarcasm.

I've considered getting the book, but proper shipping costs more than the version I want to get, so I'm gun shy about it. I may just wait until the various Dynamite series start coming to an end.

Ghornet2

12-26-2010, 08:25 PM

Not all the stories are set in the TV era. Most of them are very good, one or two are okay. I couldn't get in to the Ellison story (GH meets the Phantom) but you might enjoy it. It was interesting to see the different writers interpitations of the Green Hornet.

On a scale of 1 to 5 i'd give it a 4.5. :)

Mr. Fantastic

12-26-2010, 10:26 PM

I'm a fan of the Green Hornet. You're a person who likes Dynamite comic books. That's where we differ.

Dynamite has put out a number of comic books about television series like the Green Hornet, Battlestar Galactica, and Xena. I am a fan of all those TV programs. True fans want to see the untold stories of these television programs in the comic books. They don't want the characters they love reinvented. Casual or new readers would not care.

To put things into the proper context, my comments about eye color had to do with Kato having blue eyes in the annual. They portrayed him as a white male Caucasian with blue eyes. That just showed me how little the creative team cared about him. I incidentally noticed that the Green Hornet blue eyes as well which appeared to be a mistake. Actually, in the first two stories of the chronicles they mentioned Britt Reid had gray eyes. I know this is a fussy item. I just think it is a nice touch to give the Green Hornet green eyes and he has usually been illustrated that way.

The 30's and 40's are not time periods that I actually like to read about. I like Kato Origins because of its high quality writing and artwork.

There is a place for a book like Green Hornet Strikes. I guess it is not bad. I don't view it as replacing the Green Hornet like KSGH.The problem is that they named it after an old movie serial. It gives fans the wrong impression. DC puts out a book about a future Batman which is more appropriately called Batman Beyond.

No, you're stuck on one vision of the character. Anything else is wrong. That's why you complain about inconsequential things like eye colour. The reason you like the 40's stuff is because it hardly deviates from the character that you've decided is the "right" one.

How are you liking Green Hornet Strikes?

Captain Canuck

12-27-2010, 06:32 AM

True fans want to see the untold stories of these television programs in the comic books. They don't want the characters they love reinvented. Casual or new readers would not care.

This is the specific part where we'll never click.

Who gets to decide what a "true" fan should like or do? I could just as easily argue that a true fan wants as much exposure for, or exploration of, the character (s)he loves, particurly when "fan" is short for fanatic.

The reason I have no problem with variation in this particular instance is that they're (Dynamite) not claiming that they're writing *THE* definitive Hornet and Kato. We're reading about those characters' kids. We've debated whether it's right or wrong that Kato is a woman, but "Kato" isn't. Kato is male and had a daughter. I don't view that as much different than a book like Batman Beyond.

Captain Canuck

12-27-2010, 06:50 AM

The only real 'problem' is it left me wanting more and I doubt we'll get a follow up.:(

Did you know about this?

http://woldnewton.blogspot.com/2010/09/green-hornet-casefiles-and-teaser-cover.html

Ghornet2

12-27-2010, 08:28 AM

Did you know about this?

http://woldnewton.blogspot.com/2010/09/green-hornet-casefiles-and-teaser-cover.html

I missed that. Good news, but it says April 2011. Considering the delays on Chrolicles, does that mean April 2012?

Mr. Fantastic

12-27-2010, 03:29 PM

I skipped ahead to read the Ellison story. Apparently, he had planned to write a story to team up the Phantom with the Green Hornet but decided against it. This was just a fragment from the story and his thoughts about it.

I couldn't get in to the Ellison story (GH meets the Phantom) but you might enjoy it.

Mr. Fantastic

12-27-2010, 03:43 PM

Yes. You could argue that a true fan wants the character to have a lot of exposure. That's not the same thing as killing the character off and introducing a new one.

Who gets to decide what a "true" fan should like or do? I could just as easily argue that a true fan wants as much exposure for, or exploration of, the character (s)he loves, particurly when "fan" is short for fanatic.

Exactly. Dynamite is not writing the definitive Green Hornet and Kato. They are not fulfilling the fan's needs. Moonstone is. I am glad to learn that they will be publishing another book as well.

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/The-Green-Hornet-Chronicles-SC-Procopio-Ellison-Greenberger/9781933076737-item.html?ikwid=green+hornet&ikwsec=Home

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/The-Green-Hornet-Chronicles-HC-Procopio-Ellison-Greenberger/9781933076744-item.html?ikwid=green+hornet&ikwsec=Home

The reason I have no problem with variation in this particular instance is that they're (Dynamite) not claiming that they're writing *THE* definitive Hornet and Kato. We're reading about those characters' kids.

comixfan1980

12-27-2010, 04:08 PM

Alright, it appears to me as if one of our members here is having an issue coping with the fact that his vision of Green Hornet isn't carrying over well into the modern era. I understand that you miss your version of the character, but unfortunately in this day and age there is a constant need to advance and evolve, even if the story is told in a forgone era of time, in essense I think it's time to either get over it or move on and stop reading.

We had an issue like this with a member a few years ago in the PSP section of the forums, I just don't get how some people just refuse to let go and accept change or just walk away and stick to the classics.

Mr. Fantastic

12-27-2010, 07:45 PM

It isn't my vision of the Green Hornet. That is the way he is. I guess you didn't read the Green Hornet Chronicles.

You forget that the Green Hornet Inc. rejected Kevin Smith's script. I just happen to agree with them. Kevin Smith didn't advance the Green Hornet. He tried to destroy him and make the character his own. That was extremely arrogant of him and an insult to the Green Hornet Inc. and an affront to the creators and fans.

Alright, it appears to me as if one of our members here is having an issue coping with the fact

comixfan1980

12-27-2010, 07:56 PM

It isn't my vision of the Green Hornet. That is the way he is. You forget that the Green Hornet Inc. rejected Kevin Smith's script. I just happen to agree with them. Moonstone is giving fan's what they want.

Like with all characters, there is room for evolution and change. Sorry, but the version of Green Hornet that you know and love is all but basically a memory now, just because someone rejected Smith's script does not mean that his version of GH is not the standard bearer for modern day GH and it's something that you need to come to terms with. You are the only one here who is holding on to the past instead of embracing the future, just give it up dude and don't buy the comics is it pains you so much, but for the rest of the world, we'll continue reading.

Captain Canuck

12-27-2010, 08:20 PM

I'm not sure about the script being "rejected" anyway. This is from Wikipedia (I know, I know...):

"The project however died after Smith's longtime producing partner Scott Mosier said he didn't want to produce something with such a big budget, and without Mosier producing, Smith no longer wanted to direct the movie, and thus the plans were dropped. Smith's screenplay is now a Green Hornet comic book miniseries."

"Smith approached Jake Gyllenhall for the lead role in March 2004,[18] and finished the first draft of the script in November 2004. He later rewrote the script after receiving advice from Quentin Tarantino,[19] but Miramax put The Green Hornet on indefinite hold over Smith's concerns about directing an action film."

This is from May of last year:

http://www.slashfilm.com/kevin-smiths-green-hornet-movie-is-finally-going-to-be-released/

"Smith dropped out after getting cold feet, fearing he wouldn’t be able to handle an action-heavy big budget comic book film."

I think that the script was rejected is an assumption that's taken a life of its own.

Mr. Fantastic

12-27-2010, 10:06 PM

comixfan1980

12-27-2010, 10:21 PM

Why don't you get your facts straight? What evolution and change? Now Comics already killed off Britt Reid and had his son take over as the Green Hornet and introduced a female Kato 20 years ago. It's already been done two decades ago. You don't call that holding on to the past?

Kevin Smith's version isn't the standard version by any means. That's not the script they used for the movie.

The Green Hornet that I know is not just a memory. You just have to pick up and read the Green Hornet Chronicles to see that.

Your comments are laughable - "but for the rest of the world, we'll continue reading." You can't seriously believe what you write. Does that include the tens of thousands of readers who dropped KSGH?

What's laughable is reading the posts of a person who can't let go of the character that they once knew, seriously, it's borderline pathetic. If you don't like Smith's Green Hornet, then don't read it, plain and simple. Why support something that you aren't enjoying? Unless you already stopped purchasing it, of course.

Still, at least you have Chronicles to hold onto, if it wasn't for that then I don't know what the other 10 people like you would do, jump off cliffs maybe?

Seriously, this has gone on long enough, if you don't like it....don't read it, and since we all know how you feel about it I would suggest not commenting on it anymore because you are starting to sound like a broken record.

Mr. Fantastic

12-27-2010, 10:24 PM

I don't know the reasons they didn't use his script for sure. I read somewhere in this forum awhile ago that it was rejected. I can think of a lot of reasons why it would be rejected.

I'm not sure about the script being "rejected" anyway. This is from Wikipedia (I know, I know...):

I think that the script was rejected is an assumption that's taken a life of its own.

MadMikeyD

12-28-2010, 09:54 AM

Mr. Fantastic, I want to apologize to you for what this thread has become. I don't know how old you are, but I assume you are older than I, while others here are my age and younger. The treatment you have received for your concerns over one of your favorite characters is quickly becoming very disrespectful, and I apologize. This is a fan forum and should not be for blind praise of all things Dynamite. If you have concerns and/or criticisms of your favorites you should be allowed to voice them. I, too, do not care for the Smith Hornet. I think Wagner is doing a great job with the "real" (radio era) Hornet. I hate when people tell long time fans of a character to "get over it" and "move on." Interpretations of characters do change over the years. However, a new interpretation does not invalidate someone's love for a previous one. We all have things we love that have been, in our view, twisted and distorted in newer versions. (My biggest is Transformers, loved G1, absolutely hate Michael Bay's films.)

MadMikeyD

12-28-2010, 10:07 AM

(Sorry for multiple posts, my phone only lets me type so much) Many younger people are of the mindset that new = better. I always point to the Adam Sandler remake of Mr. Deeds as proof of the opposite, but most people have never/will never see the Frank Capra/Gary Cooper original because it's old. The younger generation don't have the respect for what has come before, and I want to apologize to you. We are not all that way. When the Lone Ranger series started, I'm afraid I might have been the same way with a longtime Ranger fan on these same boards. I tried to respect his opinion, but I regret that I may have come off like these guys are. This rude treatment of loyal fans of a character who was there long before DE, and will be around long after, should not be accepted, nor should the board admin be participating in such behavior. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just because one is different than yours does not make it invalid.

MadMikeyD

12-28-2010, 10:14 AM

I will add it is doubtful that Green Hornet Inc. rejected Smith's script, however, since they would have had to approve it for use in the comic. Anything with the GH name on it (even the new movie) has to be approved by them or it wouldn't get made. Unless there was a change of heart between then and now, I don't think GHI had anything to do with that movie not being made.

Captain Canuck

12-28-2010, 10:14 AM

This is a fan forum and should not be for blind praise of all things Dynamite.

It isn't. I have critisized the parts I don't like and praised those that I do in all of these books. I think most people have.

But it also isn't a place for constant, repeated bashing, is it? Fantastic does not enjoy the Smith version of Hornet and it is clear that he never will. He is the exact, extreme, opposite of what you describe and I don't see how that is any better.

Ghornet2

12-28-2010, 10:27 AM

This is a fan forum and should not be for blind praise of all things Dynamite. If you have concerns and/or criticisms of your favorites you should be allowed to voice them.

Agreed, but Fantastic's tone is over the top. an seems to be saying that he is right and everybody else is crazy for not agreeing with him. People have tried to politly make points be he blows them off (or is that up) simply saying I'm right. He long ago made his point be he keeps pushing and putting down anyone who disagrees with him.

Captain Canuck

12-28-2010, 10:49 AM

The difference is that the rest of us want to like the books. Sometimes we do like them and sometimes we don't, but at the end of the day, we want them to do well.

Fantastic does not like Smith's book on any level and because in his view it is fundamental wrong, he never will.

I don't want blind praise either. But I don't get that here from anyone. What we do get is a constant lack of objectivity but from the opposite viewpoint.

MadMikeyD

12-28-2010, 10:58 AM

Perhaps I have not read all of what Mr. Fantastic has said. I haven't read many of the Hornet books, so I've stayed out of most of the discussions. In this particular thread, which was started about a non-DE Hornet book, I have just recently seen him repeatedly (seemingly) attacked for not liking the Smith version, an opinion which I share. I was ashamed and embarassed at the treatment he was receiving for having an unpopular opinion. If it is as you say, and I have no reason to doubt you, then I will say to him to please also give others the same respect which I feel you should recieve. I am not telling you to "let go" or "move on." You have your opinion, and so do others. Yours does not make their's less valid anymore than their's does yours. What this forum should be, IMO, is an open forum to discuss all GH material - past, present and future, good and bad. If, however, people are not willing to constructively participate in the discussion, merely bringing up the same ideas repeatedly, whether they have any bearing on the current state of the property (as was eventually the case with that Ranger fan, still complaining about #3 when #10 had come out), it may be best to not participate in discussions. I do not rescind my apology, but I will offer an apology to the rest of you for speaking without full knowledge of the situation.

Mr. Fantastic

12-28-2010, 03:22 PM

Thanks for your thoughts on this matter. You don't owe me any apologize.

I posted a message concerning the Green Hornet Chronicles. It was never my intention to start discussing Kevin Smith again. Unfortunately, others steered me off topic and they have done it before.

Mr. Fantastic, I want to apologize to you for what this thread has become.

Captain Canuck

12-28-2010, 04:03 PM

comixfan1980

12-28-2010, 04:16 PM

Okay, that's it.

As of this post I don't want to see anymore arguing, let's just all let it go and move on with discussion of the comic book in the thread title, I don't want any arguing going on on the forums. If anyone pulls the trigger on any future arguments on this matter than I will be forced to use the banhammer and I don't want to do that, so please, let's just all get along.

Thanks.